Hi Di tien and Gautam,

below is the thread from where we left off.


Hi Di tien, hope this finds you well. This is an interesting topic and made me curious. Hope this will help us get an accurate reading of our charts.

RapaNui had commented on my time of birth as well. It's 13 Oct 1970 1.05pm. But according to him, my hour pillar is Jia Wu at 12.56pm since I was born in Delhi.

Does this change the chart in a dramatic way?

Thank you.


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gautam.rao

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hi rum71

The hour pillar is a representation of
- age after 50 or 60 Yrs
- children
- lower parts of your body
- reproductive
- some say younger siblings
- Achivements - along with 10 LP, and AP
to my knowledge these are..., seniors will be able to give more information.

Cheers
Gautam


Di_Tien_Sui

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Re:My Bazi chart-checking true solar hour 4 Days, 13 Hours ago Karma: 9
Hi rum,
Using true solar time,your chart is still hot,maybe even hotter(3-combo with"wu"fire,fed by yang wood above).
If it becomes a "fire chart" with the new TOB,then from around age 13 to 17,things were quite bad for you.Could you recall that period?


rum71

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Re:My Bazi chart-checking true solar hour 4 Days, 11 Hours ago Karma: 0

Thank you Gautam.

Hi Di Tien,

That period in my life was a struggle at home and at school. A lot of pressure from my extended family members who lived with us in the same house. I didn't enjoy school much too. Perhaps I should take to another thread and shouldn't hijack this one

thank you

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gautam.rao

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Re:My Bazi chart-checking true solar hour 4 Days, 9 Hours ago Karma: 1
Hi rum71

Your thinking process is correct, Please do take a new thread, it is little bit confusing when reading. you can add/ copy all the coments of yours in to the new thread, so that it is not repeated.
As Di_Tien_Sui said , your chart is very hot. Can you please do explain the health problems you faced,
- Are you with a broad shoulders, and you the one who pays when you are out with your family.

cheers
Gautam

Gautam, I dont remember facing any health problems, just family issues at home. Relatives labelled me rebellious. I'm not on the thin side, but my shoulders are not as broad as a rugby player's too. I used to the sole earner in my family until my wife started working, so yes i did end up paying all the time when we went out. But I must say that during my teen years i was supported financially by my parents who were well to do and I never felt that we didn't have enough wealth.

Thanks
Rum

Hi rum,
Usually the solar time and the official time of your country mean the same time pillar,as they don't differ much in time.That's why I didn't check your time.Sorry for that...... I should have noticed that your TOB could be the previous pillar("jia""wu").
Using the solar time,your chart becomes a "fire chart"(fire-combo in the branches),going along with the strong fire"qi".This "qi" is blazing and rising upwards,and you cannot use water("water cures") to douse the flames to cool the chart.If I told you to employ "water cures"before,it was because I thought your chart was just too hot,not a fire chart.Now,I think you have to go along with the fire.
I asked you about that past period because that was a water luck phase.You said you were not happy at all.
I'll study your chart again.

Thank you Di Tien. Do you think now since my chart is Fire chart, fire is good for me, as opposed to earlier? I wouldn't say the age 13-17 wasn't happy but there were a lot of issues that I went through with my extended family and parents. Like an teenager, I was also living in my own world, so those things didn't matter much until I grew older. I also went through a bad patch between 22-23, until I found a full time job. What elements do you now think would be good for me.

Thanks
Rum

A "fire chart"is a special chart.Water,even a little,appearing(in the luck phases and prevailing year) would be very unfavourable.
Yeah,sometimes we can't really say whether a certain past period was "good"or"bad".It could be there was both"good"and "bad" episodes during that time.
Even"good"and"bad"themselves can be hard to define.
For example,A started to gorge on rich,gourmet foods after he became rich.B stayed poor,and thus could only afford cheap,simple fares.A year later,A was diagnosed by a doctor to have high blood cholesterol,diabetes and hypertension,whilst B had none of those afflictions.A's diseases probably had something to do with his diet.
Was A's wealth good or bad?Was B's relative poverty good or bad?

How was your general life conditions from about 23 to 27?Try to be more specific,if you can recall.

Thank you Di Tien. I started working full time at 24. Kind of dabbled in a few careers in the 2 years after college. Wasted 1 year under the influence of intoxicating substances. But soon came to my senses. My next few years were fun as I was very passionate about my work, but that is not to say that I didn't have problems at work. I didn't care much about about my bosses, so this attitude created trouble for me, but also gained respect for my straight forwardness among my peers. Through out my life, I have always had monetary support from my father - he is always willing to help if the need ever arises.

I got married at 27. Hope this helps. I am wondering how everything changes now that it's a special, fire chart.

thanks
rum

I asked because that period was water,not something that's good for a fire chart.But this water was not that strong....
However,it did try to break up your fire-combo(by clashing with your time branch).So,the outcome you get may be mixed(not so good,but also not that worrisome).Rather fuzzy,huh? :angry:Reality could be like this,very hard to determine if certain periods are "good"or"bad".
Your financial support could be due to the yang metal(indirect wealth)at your year stem.Indirect wealth also denotes the father,or a fatherly figure(could also be a female that behaves like your father)in your life.
If yang metal already appeared in your chart,you have to make use of this.It's less effective if you try to employ something that's not already in your original chart and luck pillars(you're not born with it).Something akin to a transplanted organ/organs in your body,as opposed to the organ/organs you was/were born with.
So,try to employ metal.Methinks it's not unfavourable to you......It denotes your wealth,after all.

Thank you Di Tien. So is water or colour black not favourable? I believe the next year is strong water too. Also how good is fire or wood since it's a fire chart?

It sounds strange,but for a true fire chart,you make the fire stronger So both wood and fire are favourable elements.Next year you can employ wood to exhaust the water(water>wood).The wood can then go to feed your fire.
Metal denotes your finances.I think strong fire can use some metal(to generate wealth for you).
Some analysts also say strong fire can use some earth(fire>earth)as output,which then produces wealth(fire>earth>metal,">"means"produces").Some people can use their output(favourable element in the chart)to generate much wealth,even though their wealth isn't exactly that strong within the chart......

Thank you Di Tien. This is really helpful. Can we confirm that it's a fire chart? Based on my earlier TOB i was employing water, metal and earth cures, and swam more often.

I am wondering because I am a fire person, is the reason I have been attracted to wooded areas, hot food etc. And have always had the fear of water which might explain why I can't swim very well. Is there a connection there.

You asked how my life was from 23 - 27 and I should've stressed that 22-23 were probably the worst years of my life, thanks to substance abuse. I hope this helps.

I was also wondering how my wife chart now changes. She was born in Delhi on 12/11/71 at 7.10am. Is water still strong in her chart? Thank you.

I was also wondering how my wife chart now changes. She was born in Delhi on 12/11/71 at 7.10am. Is water still strong in her chart? Thank you.

Hi Rum,
Sometimes,I ask myself why there are such things as "fire charts","wood charts","water charts","metal charts",etc in bazi.They seem to go against the norm of 5-element balance employed in"normal"charts.Sounds odd to me that if the fire is already very strong(in a special fire chart),instead of cooling it,you have to make the fire even stronger
But that's what the bazi classics say.You cannot go against the strong"qi"("fan wang"in Chinese),just "go along"with it and everything will be hunkydory in your life.
But don't let this influence your thoughts and acts regarding"cures"and"enhancers".I think you need to experiment with them to find out what actually works for you.Otherwise,you may change again if other analysts give you totally different analyses of your chart.You will become confused.
Forget about bazi for a period of time.Then try all those things for sometime,and see how you feel about them.Without thinking of bazi,do you feel comfortable,pleasant relaxed?Or uneasy,uncomfortable?
Some people find out the"good sectors"and "bad sectors"of their homes without resorting to any school of fengshui or bazi.They do this by experimenting with the different parts of the house in turn.They start with one particular part,staying there more often,do their important work there,and note how they feel staying there.
For example,a kid who has minor ailments seems to get better(without seeing a doctor)if he/she stays longer in a certain part of the house(a certain bedroom,kitchen,even a certain small corner,etc),and get worse if he/she stays for a long time in some other parts.If he/she gets better,it could be that the "qi"in that particular sector of the house is compatible,or beneficial,to his/her own "qi".If there's an elderly person in the house with a chronic sickness,and he/she always stays in the same part of the house,it may be better to shift him/her to a different part to see if his/her condition improves.If not,shift again.But you need to give such experiments some time.
Mr.Fang Zhen Han(the White Crane Calls),a famous Hong Kong professional bazi and fengshui practitioner who has written many books(in Chinese),once experimented with a tortiose to find out the good sector/sectors of a house.He placed the healthy tortoise in the centre of the room(living room or a bedroom)and let it move freely.If the animal kept crawling to a particular part of the room,then he said that part had good"qi" Why used a tortoise?Perhaps it's considered by the Chinese to be one of the 4 "spiritual animals",sensitive to good and bad "qi".But make sure that the animal is not sick(and not too young),if you wish to try this method.....
Maybe we can also use fish and potted plants.If they grow very fast and healthily when placed at a certain corner of the house,it could mean that part of the home has wholesome"qi".Then you can make more use of such sectors.

What's your wife's solar time?I think you need to find this out first.It could be that her ToB stays unchanged.