Hi guys, can you please help me interpreting my chart

26 August 1986, 14:00 GMT+7

时Time
Ding
丁
Yin Fire
正财 DW
Wei
未
Goat
Yin Earth
己 | 正官 DO
丁 | 正财 DW
乙 | 伤官 HO

日Day
Ren
壬
Yang Water
Master
Yin
寅
Tiger
Yang Wood
甲 | 食神 EG
丙 | 偏财 IW
戊 | 七杀 7K

月Month
Bing
丙
Yang Fire
偏财 IW
Shen
申
Monkey
Yang Metal
庚 | 偏印 IR
壬 | 比肩 F
戊 | 七杀 7K

年Year
Bing
丙
Yang Fire
偏财 IW
Yin
寅
Tiger
Yang Wood
甲 | 食神 EG
丙 | 偏财 IW
戊 | 七杀 7K

74
Jia
甲
Yang Wood
食神 EG
Chen
辰
Dragon
Yang Earth
戊 | 七杀 7K
乙 | 伤官 HO
癸 | 劫财 RW

64
Gui
癸
Yin Water
劫财 RW
Mao
卯
Rabbit
Yin Wood
乙 | 伤官 HO

54
Ren
壬
Yang Water
比肩 F
Yin
寅
Tiger
Yang Wood
甲 | 食神 EG
丙 | 偏财 IW
戊 | 七杀 7K

44
Xin
辛
Yin Metal
正印 DR
Chou
丑
Ox
Yin Earth
己 | 正官 DO
癸 | 劫财 RW
辛 | 正印 DR

34
Geng
庚
Yang Metal
偏印 IR
Zi
子
Rat
Yang Water
癸 | 劫财 RW

24
Ji
己
Yin Earth
正官 DO
Hai
亥
Pig
Yin Water
壬 | 比肩 F
甲 | 食神 EG

14
Wu
戊
Yang Earth
七杀 7K
Xu
戌
Dog
Yang Earth
戊 | 七杀 7K
辛 | 正印 DR
丁 | 正财 DW

4
Ding
丁
Yin Fire
正财 DW
You
酉
Rooster
Yin Metal
辛 | 正印 DR

As a Strong Water Day master, my wealth element is fire, since i have 3 fire in the hour, month, and year, what does that mean? do i have to use 'follow the leader' type chart?

With the 3 7K and 4 IW, Does that makes me an IW profile? or mixture of both?

how's the wealth and marriage in general? thank you and i hope i can learn more

u are a very weak dm...a weak water dm...

since u have 3 elements of fire...2 in year,and month pillar...u should be born in poor family...since u are a weak dm...u don`t like to see u father-fire...because will EVAPORATE U...can`t support...your weak water...if u are a strong dm...than u should be born in a rich family...then should be ok...for u...but isn`t,no!?u are born in a poor family...

I know that u life between 2000-2010 especially 2006 was very hard for u...

in 2010 u enter in this lp...ji-hai...u are revigorate with onother energy,feel that?

2012 in august should be a perfect year for u...especially in ren-zi month this year

u like to make money...unconventional...u don`t like to work hard...just boommmm...money come to me!))

clash between-shen-yin-u should changed u home,when u was a little,boy,true...or false?true,no?

but u will be the man...when zi-geng year will arrive than u lp will be the same like ap...so this will happened...in 2020

wish u all the best...and I hope u will have the life that u really want
relay just on u...!

Best Wishes:),
Jrgeorge

hi

thanks for the quick reply

wow that's new since during my learning of BA ZI i always thought i am a strong DM because of the yang water in day master and 'in season 'properties.

and a few calculators also encourages that i'm a strong water, like the one in geomancy.com

Care to elaborate how you came to that conlusion? for the learning purpose.

Actually my family is not really poor, i think its always been above average although we're not also really rich,and lately my mum is very successful.

2000-2010, well i have my down moments yeah

I moved from one home to another really2 young, maybe when i'm around 2- 3 years old, does that count?

haha yeah i like to make money unconventionally, not ilegally but rather exploiting loopholes

thanks again

give me ten karma...ahaha:))


why?the reason is simply...the earth from hour pillar is dry...hot evaporate...u

clash between yin-shen-yin...u are a smoker?or have problem with head?

u are not able to take money,I don`t think that u really apreciate u father,and u father suppport u...this is the reason...

I am a yin water...with full water month pillar,yet strong ...it`s not important strong or weak...if u are strong dm...like wood...and meet lp`s with wood and water...u will be without succes,if u are weak wood...meeting 30 years of waters and woods elements..u will be very lucky

1 karma sent

i am a smoker, yes

what do you mean by i'm not able to take money? will i be poor for the rest of my life? (

i kinda have hot and cold with my mother, not my (passed away) father though trying to fix that

Ah i see, so when i meet metal and water in my LP, i will be successful?

how about marriage, and what business i should run?

again, thanks

Stevemoggi wrote:


Hello Steve,

What JRGeorge said was largely true, hence you can have no doubt about the strength of your daymaster.
It is supposed to be strong, but you aren't strong enough in many ways to control wealth, though you can still do so at modest levels.

You have multiple clashes here and there, not that pleasant in some sense but I won't mention since your parent's clash is already over (more or less), which is evident in your chart.

Your better years will start from year 2020, but be careful of getting 'mentally contaminated'. Think deeper on what that would mean in your life.

Cheers,

J

Ah i see ,

well if i summarize correctly, reading you guys' analysis and my own past life,

my life is always like this, i have many2 wealth element in my natal chart, but since my DM is weak, i can make money (doing quite well for my age) but i will also lose money (impulsive shopping etc )

the question is, how can i make my life better before year 2020, at least to prepare for 2020?

accidentally, my business is water element (fisheries) and earth and wood element (hydrophonics) is that good?

how about my romance in general? being honest i'm quite a charmer and it's not that hard to find girls, but i tend to have bad relationships :-S, is there anything in my chart that show that? And when will it be better?

thanks again, karma sent

Stevemoggi wrote:
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Steve,

Maybe I shall be abit more specific for you

Your chart is not outright weak. In fact, it is not weak at all.

You are born in a strong secondary support season, with REN rooting under SHEN makes you almost a very strong Daymaster.

It's just your heavenly stems that may have weakened you from a very strong DM to a normal strong DM.

You are able to weave your wealth. Now, I want you to imagine your chart in this way:

You are in planet Steve, where you have 2 fiery suns shining on you in a extrasolar binary system, with spewing lava within the ocean depths.
Wealth is shooting at you from the outside as well as the inside.

All you need is just a thicker layer of ocean to enjoy your wealth, which will come year 2020.

Hence, continue in exploring loopholes! ENJOY!!!!!!!!!

J

thank u

so when i'm using a software like four pillars, should i choose strong DM or weak DM as my chart? i think weak DM is the one, since it defines the good luck in 2020.

This year and next year should be quite good for me then?

how about romance and marriage in general? :-S

Hello Steve,

what software do you use? I'm curious!

Cos the only software I use is my head, and also JY's charting if lazy to plot by hand.

Anyway, you should put as strong. Not weak.

J

PUT U PAST ...HERE TO SEE THAT U ARE A WEAK DM!if u are strong then in fire,earth and wood years...u should be lucky...but isn`t the problem for u if u are strong or weak...it`s for us,because the useful god will be chaotic

jrgeorge wrote:


Steve,

Up to you then

JRGeorge. Happy for you!

J

to see...if is strong or weak...to be able to predict in corect way his future to advice him right...if not,I am retreat!to be honest and corect!
George

I use the software from fourpillars.com, there's a 30-day trial version.

there's a luck graph that predicts our luck year by year

Using that software, and both of your prediction, the only luck graph that shows i'll be lucky in 2020,2021 etc are weak DM,
but i also see what Jae means by not being purely weak.

if i put Strong DM for the chart, then the luck graph will be vice versa, i'll be extremely unlucky in 2020 and lucky nowadays.

anyways even in my unlucky years 2000-2010 i live qute well, never really in a poor state, and i always have unpredictable luck when money run short. But when i got a lot of money, i also lost it easy

So maybe both of you are right, i am basically a weak DM, but because i'm not a purely weak DM, i still can get wealth in and out, but it's hard to keep the wealth, not until later in life in 2020 forward.



i'm still wondering about romance and marriage

jrgeorge wrote:


Dear George Buddy!

There is not right or wrong in chart reading, only the DM himself/herself will infer from his/her luck pillars and determine during those years, if he/she felt bad or not.

It's always healthy to have multiple inputs, varying views of a chart, so as to provide impartiality when decoding (without bias).
This is what I like about forums. Diversity!

Be it from schools of thoughts originating from Hongkong, China and Taiwan (or even Singapore), when determining strength of daymasters, it is actually a very straightforward subject, unlike of special structures.

This discussion that I am about to share, should give you an insight from how 子平真诠评注 (Zi Ping Zhen Quan Ping Zu) would look at people,
born in season but not prosperous, and people born out of season but strong, Otherwise known as 论十干得时不旺失时不弱.

四时之中，五行之气，无时无刻不俱备，特有旺相休囚之别耳。譬如木旺于春，而其时金水火土，非绝迹也。但不得时耳。

This would imply that in the seasons of spring, summer, autumn and winter, the strength of the 5 elemental Qi have unique variations for each chart. If wood were to be born in spring, would signify prosperity for the individual, but even if metal, water, fire and earth's energies are weak/extinct, they aren't necessarily as weak as they appear to be, and its presence in spring will not mean a loss of its primary functions.

如火为方生之气.

This would imply that Spring is the point where fire can grow tremendously. Analogously, SHEN would be the 方生之季 of water.
This would imply Autumn is where the energies of water grows tremendously.
If we were to understand what Zi Ping really mentioned, and if we were to infer with 神格局, under 论用神格局高低 from 子平真诠评注,
then will we be able to analyse the actual useful, regulating and favorable gods to truly understand each element's current state, nature and conditions.

Hence, SHEN in steve's chart is in fact flowing strongly such that we would see JI earth get increasingly contaminated in Steve's later years.

Do read up and digest about 'Fang Sheng Qi'.

Anyway, the above would actually be the only 'rather grey' areas of determining strength in normal charts.

Let's take a look at 2 aspects of Steve's chart, but first get to the one where you advocated weakness of his chart.

There are 3 criterias in determining if a DM is a strong or weak one. If there are 2 out of 3 criterias achieved, it will be a strong daymaster no matter how one may argue it. In Steve's case, we can see that his chart has achieved 2 out 3 criterias of strength, with the remainder 1/3 being weaknesses derived from the heavenly stems and support of YIN to the heavenly stems, which is the basis of George's perspective.

I wish to mention that George's perspective of the above is entirely true, as it really weakens the DM. However, the remaining 2 criterias are met. Hence there is no doubt about the strength of Steve's chart. If we wish to picture further, the dry and hot WEI earth and YIN woods in his chart is QUITE literally, dead.

The hot dry earths of WEI is actually experiencing chills, and water is already flowing onto WEI, cooling WEI down. If we look at WEI in SHEN month, the JI under WEI would be exposed to rising tides, where YI wood retreats, as evident in graveyard branches. Having double YINs side by side to SHEN will just mean a cold aftermath, of a rising river that two sides of riverwoods are desperately trying to standstill on without being flushed away (I am not going to discuss woes of YIN wood here as its not the focus).

To be precise, the condition of his chart will NOT make YIN wood flush away, but YIN wood is losing foothold of JI earth under WEI branch, as JI earth is very prone to being softened upon exposure to REN (even GUI at times). In terms of YIN wood's fate, luck would only play well with YIN Wood of the day branch as WEI earth is giving it ground to hold steady with, while YIN wood in the year branch, though in advanced concepts would also have an opportunity to be for stability, having SHEN beside YIN will immediately chop both sides up to pieces!

Ouch! This is where we would see canopy-less trees with only half the trunk left on both sides of his month branch.

When we decode a person's chart, it is best to exercise macro and micro-evaluations, and leave a set degree of leniency, then can we decode without getting too shrouded by rigidity.

Anyway, here comes to the part of luck pillar interaction as per our buddy George's perspective.

It is very correct in the general way of looking at things, being a strong DM shoudl see you luck in fire, earth and wood years.
Now, your previous major luck pillars are Fire Rooster, Earth Dog and now, Earth Pig. Do you think that 4-21 are generally good years?
That, you will know it yourself!

Being born in the year of Fire Tiger should actually see you being born in the doors of wealth, instead of poverty (a further indicator that fire is your favorable element, though you experience problems on your heavenly stems in exchange for that).
If there are any bad years within this fire, earth and wood years, they are extremely likely due to the unpleasant interaction of your earthly branches.

In addition, what George said is true about you not liking your father, as be it strong or weak, the conditions of your heavenly stems weaken you significantly, be it strong or weak (you might not survive long had you been weak, in my opinion). The fire in this case, is a form of heavenly stem clashing, though schools in Hongkong may disregard this.

Hence, it is the details of your chart that is causing down years, couple with a 'all about money' outlook in life for you that enhances your Heavenly stem problems.

This is the case of a slightly more complicated chart where two sides of the coin appear to give 'head' and 'flower'. When this happens,
always fall back to the classical texts, and you will never be wrong.

A BaZi chart is never wrong, only the decoders can be.

Just my 2 cents worth and I apologize if I offended anyone in anyway.

I would invite anyone into this thread to share their views too!

J



Okay right back to luck pillars!

Jae wrote:


ah i'm really sorry if my request cause uprising, i hope we all can learn more about ba zi this way 4-21 years, i think is generally so-so year, there's a lot of thing i wish i could've done better, and (being a student and all), i never really have money. So yeah maybe it's not really lucky years for me, but isn't that a relativity? if the coming years is worse, we could decode those years as 'good luck' isnt it? :-S

SO in that case, if i am a strong DM, why would i be lucky in the zi geng decade where there arent fire, wood and earth? isnt that a criteria for weak dm that i favor water and metal years?

sorry, i'm still a little confused , btw i'm still curious about marriage and other aspects beside wealth

I'm... kinda sociopath in nature, is there anywhere in the chart that explains that?

thanks a lot, and hope george also not offended

be a Ninja like...sun-tzu...fight for u succes!be a warrior...and bazi will be just a book who will show u when u will be with 100km/h...and when u will run with 10km/h

Good luck!

In just MY OPINION:

even if u are strong or weak...imagine if u are born in hai xin or ren-zi at this hour...even if u are a strong or dm...u will have some problem with u marriage u will be a hunter like me...don`t want...and even if u want u will want to get every beautiful girl like me!u are just like me!a little hunter!

so the problem is that u wife/girlfrien-is tiger...tiger clash with shen...this clash should be off in u water lp,water in the branch...

what can I say something?!don`t know...u first gf should be at u 20 years or 21 years probably in 2007...when hai come to help your yin
yin+hai-strong wood...don`t think u had luck in love in 2004 or 2006
Apologize me if I mistake...I am a novice

jrgeorge wrote:


Hello again!

What george said is very true in the sense that, whether you are strong or weak, you really do have problems which covers what our buddy George has mentioned, and actually even more!

J

Hello Once more!

The nature of your chart would make things tricky to understand.

Now is a good time for you and our fellow friends to understand that BaZi and all of metaphysics (I-Ching, FS, ZWDS, etc) isn't rigid at all.
It is a living, expanding and breathing field, where there will shall be no ends to its capacity to expand in depth.

What seems to hold true, will not hold true, and vice versa.

The more we know, the more we realize we do not know.

So back to your questions.

Yes, on the surface level, it appears true that having metal and water is conducive only to a weak DM.
Yours ain't weak, but ain't prosperous!

Remember that I said, you just need more water to fill up your otherwise deep oceans so as to prosper?
Now let's get back to the picture of Planet Steve!

Remember that you belong to a solar system where there are 2 suns circulating?
This phenomena is observed all over the celestial systems. Look at the constellations in your night sky.
If you look up right now, you will be able to see the great Orion constellation, hunter of the night.
Within the formation of 4 stars surrounding its Orion Belt, you actually have the orange star, Rigel.
Rigel is a binary system, with 2 stars orbiting.

Yes skeptics would brand me as being crazy, but the thing is, metaphysics will keep moving forward, embracing what seems to be wrong in the past, to be right. What was once seen as very bleak a future for Hurting Officer dominant individuals, are now seen as pioneers and marketers!
Things keep changing, and metaphysics will continue to morph progressively.

Anyway back to you.

We already mentioned that SHEN is a stage where water is flowing in tremendously and rapidly, but it has not yet risen to prosperous levels for you to fully take advantage of your wealth. Only when you have an ocean filled with vast amounts of water, can you then truly manipulate wealth.

Being born in SHEN will also be a growth branch, where you will see exceptions (SPECIFICALLY for your chart only and a select few) that anything that helps a weak DM to fill up their oceans, would be beneficial to you!

Hence in other words, given the right type of metal and right type of water, you will be able to flourish significantly.
Your riverwoods specifically in your chart, will then be filled, and fuelling your growth for prosperity.

GENG, being clumsy will actually not contribute in your clashes within the earthly branches. ZI only serves to fill your river to optimum levels, and is also the stage of your life where your REN is at your most optimal levels.

Get it?

Cheers!

J