The dragons lair does play a pretty important role in feng shui. You have to remember the reasons of why the earliest masters sought to find this lair. A dwelling is always being subjected to earthly chi, whether its in the form of floods, landslides, earthquakes etc. So by finding the most auspicious place to construct a house, they are also finding the most suitable building site which will offer the most protection from the elements. The dragons lair is where the good chi pools and comes together.

If you want a more in depth explanation, read this translation of the Zangshu (Book Of Burial) which talks extensively about the dragons lair.

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*Scroll down and start reading section VI

Honestly speaking I doubt the author understanding in Zhangshu script as it is full of old Chinese text. Even not all the Chinese scolar fully understand it because they do not feel it or experience it. This translation is full of imaginations sentences. It looks like a direct translation without clear explanations from the author. Why don’t you tell us your understanding on this script. So we can learn from you.

Again this is Zhangshu, which means ‘Book of Burial’. It is mean for the deceased and not for the living…houses. From the beginning till the end the original author did not mention anything about fengshui of living houses.

Have you heard of the differents between ‘Cheng qi’ and ‘Naqi’? This was applied to the deceased and the living. If you do have the Chinese script of Zhangshu you will understand fully what is Cheng qi. From here you can know how importants it is to the deceased and not the living. That’s why dragon lair will only play second importants to living houses. So Zhangshu can only be a ‘knowledge’ to the living houses and not guide.

Anyway thanks for your time on replying and the link. More feed back is welcomed!

The text may be called the "Book of Burial" but it doesn't necessarily mean its not related to the feng shui of houses. You have to remember one thing: Chi is UNIVERSAL. The ancient feng shui masters were smart enough to know that the practices they used to bury the dead had advantageous effects for houses too. If it didn't, they wouldn't have developed such intricate systems.

The Zangshu isn't actually that difficult to interpret. Yes, some of the language and translated text may be confusing to some, but the overall message is clear. So what is my understanding of the text? Its pretty much what I said above. The dragons lair is the most ideal site to build a house because its also the site where the best and most auspicious chi pools together. Thats pretty much the whole point of finding the dragons lair.

If you are still confused about certain parts of the Zangshu, then by all means direct your questions to me and I will be happy to explain!

Thanks again for taking time in reading my post.

There are still many doubts filled in your post.

SimpleChineseMan wrote:


1st - Book of Burial doesn't necessary mean for burial only was that what you meant on above? But the whole book did not tell anything about house fengshui. What make you think it also applied to houses? Do you have any solid evidence to proof your foundings?(hope you don't mind).

2nd. - Agreed that qi is universal but there are many types of qi which deal differently in different circumstances. Again can you live together with the deceased?

3rd. - Agreed that the dragon lair is where the qi pools but not necessary for houses. You know why? Some dragon lair is small to the extend of the lorry size. Some located on a high land where inconveniences found in the occupants daily living.

4th. - "The ancient feng shui masters were smart enough to know that the practices they used to bury the dead had advantageous effects for houses too." This is solely your opinion without any proof from those ancient masters.

Are tycoon/celebrities like Bill Gates, George Soro, Madonna, W.Buffet, Tom Cruise, etc. houses met the abovesaid requirement?

Hope you don't mind to enlight me with my shallow knowledge.

xkfan, you are making this more complicated then it really is. I always tell people to do their own research because thats the best way to find the truth out for yourself. No one should believe a word I say or the words of others on this forum unless they are willing to take the effort to do their own homework first.



You are over-analyzing this far too much; the Book of Burial was adopted for use for homes. The proof? Look up all the greatest feng shui masters like Yang Yunsong and you will see that they all used the information in the Zangshu. This is how Form School Feng Shui came about so look that up too.



The same chi that has beneficial effects for the dead also has the same benefits for the living. I don't know how I can put that in any simpler terms.



Why wouldn't the chi within the dragons lair pool for houses? You are basically saying that chi has no effect towards houses or that houses have some kind of invisible shield to block away all the good chi. You have to be more clear because your responses are not making any sense.......



No, its not my opinion at all because I get my information with actual sources such as ancient/scholarly texts. I am merely a messenger. Again, do research on Yang Yunsong or other notable feng shui masters such as Jiang Da Hong. Or you can just look up form school because thats what this is all about anyways.



Well I've never seen any of their houses before so I can't answer that. But I get the underlying feeling that you made this comment because you think that the dragons lair is useless and people can become rich and prosperous without it. All I can say is, feng shui can't dictate peoples lives because FREE WILL exists. Even if someone has bad feng shui they can still succeed in life. Am I saying feng shui doesn't work? No of course not, but it can give people an edge.

Fengshui will never be easy . It also will be easy if you know how. I never complicate anything, It was what witten in the Zhangshu. Unless you have no idea of what the Zhangshu was written about. My homework do not tally with what yours, then whats wrong with it? It can either yours or mine got wrong.


Oops, did I analyse anything yet? It is much contradict to said Book of Burial used not in Burial but in living houses. Again you are using name that may be new to the forum member like Yangyunsong, Jiang Dahong, Form School and etc. Why don't you back to the original topics about the dragon lair? Do you really know Yangyunsong or Jiang Dahong? Or just tell what people said?


Much depends on your understanding loh!


You are misquote me. If you go back to my initial post, I said dragon lair only play second importants to living houses. By the way have you seen dragon lair before?



Messenger means talk through reading books, right? Have you ever find your first dragon lair? How it looks like? What is the requirement to form a dragon lair?


Again you had misquoted me. I never said fengshui or dragon lair is uselelss, or else I wouldn't take time in this forum. Final question, do you mind to show me some of the dragon lair you have found in life?

Well if thats the case, where is your proof to show that the masters were wrong? It seems like you are willing to go on the offensive but not on the defensive. Show me your research for once.



Yes of course I know who they are, what kind of question is that? I should be asking YOU that.



Again, YES, I have seen dragons lairs before, they are all across the Chinese countryside and can be found in an urban city. I don't know if you are purposely being rhetorical or not but if you keep replying like this then I will no longer respond to your posts because it is not constructive.



You really are being rhetorical right? Because I clearly explained above what a dragons lair is. How does it look like? Thats next to impossible to answer due to the fact that the dragons lair can look like many different things. For example, a dragons lair in the Chinese countryside will look different then one in Hong Kong or New York City. HOWEVER, the concepts will always remain the same.



I don't see the relevancy of this request because I don't even know what you are trying to accomplish. You seem like you are either trying to prove that the dragons lair doesn't exist or prove that I am wrong or incompetent when it comes to Feng Shui. Which one is it? If its the latter, then by all means, try to enlighten us with your expertise and then we can put your knowledge under scrutiny.

By the way, I won't respond to you again if you continue to use poor grammar in your replies. I honestly can't understand some of the things you are trying to convey. If English isn't your first language then thats FINE, I wouldn't hold it against you but I can't have a good debate with someone if I can't even comprehend what they are typing.

Again and again you misquoted me. At all means I never cricticised any masters work. Just curious of what YOU as a master level of understanding. My proof is not important as yours as I'm still in practitioner level. Am I right Master SCM.


By only quoting these masters name does not show any relevance of your understanding in dragon lair. You seems to impressing others with these without showing me / enlight us in our topic on DRAGON LAIR.


You as a master should give us confidence instead of blaming me as RHETORICAL. If this is what you thought , then I BOW OUT.

Again I feel really sad of the word RHETORICAL being conveyed by a master. You are not enlightening us but ........



I have no right in judging your fengshui competents. Lets the forum members be the judges. You wants to see my expertise?? I'm just a practitioner without Master title like you. You as a Master failled to show us your qualifications, you expect me to show mine? Try harder!


The above is more towards personal attacks then facts:laugh: But I don't mind. Because I know your intentions. You choose not to understand instead of explainning, thats fine for me. Because you are not up to the PAR.

I will Bow out to this post and saying thanks for your time.

Good luck to all the forum members.

Yes you are criticizing the masters work because thats where I get all my information from. I already explained above what my understanding is; you simply chose not to believe me. And of course, thats FINE. But you should be doing your own homework no matter what I say. Thats my point. I am trying to encourage you to find the truth on your own. In fact, I was kind enough to give you some sources you could look up and it seems like you haven't.



It does have a ton of relevance because these masters used form school feng shui as part of their own systems. It clearly worked because people like Yang Yunsong helped the Emperor he was working for and afterwards helped the poor. Once again, I did explain the dragons lair in the simplest way possible above. You either didn't read it or refuse to believe it. Either way, not my fault.



Well you are the only one here who continues to pester me with questions and asking for explanations so it seems like you are also the only one who doesn't understand. I sure as hell don't see anyone else being confused.



That makes absolutely no sense. You are a forum member too and you have been judging for the past few posts. And I don't have to show you anything because I don't see anyone here on this forum sending you messages directly asking for your help. Even if I did show you my qualifications, you wouldn't believe me. As far as I am concerned, I am helping more people on this forum (and have been ever since I joined 8 years ago) then you.

I find it hypocritical how you criticize my posts and yet when I ask you to explain why I am wrong, you refuse to do so. Again, that makes no sense because if you are a practitioner then you shouldn't be arguing about topics you have little knowledge of. I told you to read the Zangshu. I told you to look up two feng shui masters. You are basically trying to goad me into doing all the work for you when you should be doing it yourself.



Not up to par? Funny seeing as how thats coming from someone who is a self proclaimed practitioner. I am not trying to be condescending with my replies but you keep criticizing me over a topic which you clearly have no knowledge of. Perhaps instead of arguing and being so critical, maybe you should try LISTENING and doing your own research. I've explained the concept of the dragons lair on here and to real life clients in the simplest terms possible and they've all understood me.......everyone except you.

And to be completely honest, that really wasn't meant as a personal attack (although I had a feeling you would take it that way). I honestly can't understand some of your sentences and throughout the debate, I tried to interpret what you were trying to say. It was difficult. People on this forum put in the effort to spell and use grammar properly, all I am asking is for you to to the same thing. The fact that you are using improper grammar is not only a insult to yourself, but to the forum users because you think its ok to talk to us like a child. Its not personal or anything and I do apologize if my remarks made it seem that way.

You clearly have an issue with me and its clouding your judgement. If thats the case be a man and send me a private message to explain your greivances.

please pm me also. I also want to know

Me too please.