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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11781

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Thank you Chueh for the hardwork. The information really surprised me and giving me more challenge.
When your house start to build, do you construct a drain from your house to creek?

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11782

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Yayahoo... I like physical workout, especially this kind of fun exploration. I wouldn't have gone down the hill among twigs and branches to see what's going on of the creek. I love the property even more now; my property is like next to a little natural park. Thank you for asking me to check things out. By the way, I forgot to tell you that I FORGOT to check the house in the green circle you marked at the upper left hand corner. However, it is a flat area there.

I am not sure about any constructional parts. I have never seen any OPEN drains in America. They are always hidden on the edges of roads for the public drains. For individual houses, I have seen little white round caps sticking out from the ground, which might be where the drains start. However, you can never tell the directions or however these drains are done, because they are all hidden. They do a lot of French drains here, I think (the kind with pipes, and top over with soil).

Since the house is not yet being built, I guess I can request anything I want to, if building a drain leading to the creek is supposed to be done???
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11808

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Hi Chueh,

You may use the 1st image of positioning your house facing but something needs to be done (construction) in order to receive Qi.
This is my first priority.
I hope Devadog or other experts can give his ideas.

Q1) How long is the road (in red color)?
Q2) Are you going to cover the soil with tar road (red color) when u constructing your new house?
Q3) If contractor built french drain to your house, can you design it or instruct them to locate the final (end) location?
Q4) Are those tress dying in the South & West?
Q5) How often your place rain?

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11810

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Hi everyone,

I would like to suggest, if no water then do you see any high hills or mountains? Can take a photo, please?

J

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11811

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Hi J,

This is a flat land dragon. There is water to play with but got some problem.
I forgot a picture.
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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11818

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Q1) How long is the road (in red color)?

354 feet long driveway (while the little creek keeps continuing towards south)


Q2) Are you going to cover the soil with tar road (red color) when u constructing your new house?

Yes, I am going to have an asphalt driveway and try making it slightly meandering instead of deadly straight.


Q3) If contractor built french drain to your house, can you design it or instruct them to locate the final (end) location?

Yes, I think I can instruct them to locate the final drain location


Q4) Are those tress dying in the South & West?

No, they are not dying. The trees there are pretty healthy. Half of them are pines, while the other half are maples and others deciduous trees (meaning: no leaves in winter)


Q5) How often your place rain?

I would say that the rainfall is at an average rate yearly, yet in summer drought occurs from time to time. In general, The "people here" say that it is very humid here, yet they just have never been in any places in Asia, where there are a lot of humid places around. As shallow as some parts of the creek, I would say that this creek would be a dry creek from time to time in summer. I saw tiny fish or tadpoles yesterday. At least spring, fall, and winter, they are happy there....

By the way, yayahoo, I forgot to mention about the upper right hand corner house in green circle you marked, right next to my property off the road. The road started to raised very slightly from that house. Then, there were 3 more houses further passing that particular house. I assume that the rain water or drain water would run from NE into the little creek.

Extra question for yayahoo, are most of the flag-lot properties like mine, with trees all around, not receiving proper qi?
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11820

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Hi Chueh,

Thank you for the addtional information again.
Wow! that's a long drive and too straight i think.

Asphalt, good good.

So we still have some good news.

The Qi is travelling toward different direction so you may not receive it properly.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11821

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Yep!! a long drive... The reason why I asked if most the flag-lot with trees all surrounded was because this is THE TYPE of a lot my husband and I like. I just thought that I could be naked walking around the house, while nobody could see me with such a long driveway. LOL...just KIDDING!!!! We are quiet and shy people; we like privacy. We are not interested in houses that are right off a road like they are shouting to the street and say "hey, look at me!" I fell in love with this lot as soon as I saw it on google map; THAT is THE kind of land I wanted with a long driveway which nobody or neighbor kids like to walk into the property even if they have great curiosity. It will be like we are living in the "flat mountains" where we are in our own world. The trees form a canopy over the driveway. It looks welcoming and charming! And our house is going to be only shown a very small part from the road. Great privacy..

HM.. if this type of lots do not receive proper qi, then I guess my fate can only receive partial qi or less proper qi, LOL My fate may prohibit me to be too healthy or too rich, LOL Then, what can I do!!!!!!

By the way...Some practitioners suggest to cover the drain with water flowing away from a home. If I can build any kind of drains, would it make any difference between covered drains and exposed drains? According to these practitioners' theory, even if I could build "water dragon", it would be less effective with a covered or french drain, right? I don't think my condition allowing me or even necessary to build a water dragon, but I am just curious about the covered and un-covered drains.


Devadog, you mentioned that "in-coming dragon" was not the same as the "facing." My shallow understanding tells me the "facing" should be a location where there is in-coming qi. Would you mind educating me about it, please?
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11844

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Hi Chueh,

Can you decide on the designing the road like the picture?
Small one.
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Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by yayahoo.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11845

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Yayahoo, in your last post, you seemed giving me the pros and cons about my answers to your Q1-Q5. However, I am not sure about your idea about locating the final drain to the creek. Is it good or bad to locate the final drain leading to the creek?

Yayahoo, your drain looks so cute So.... the drain you drew looks like an exposed drain that I can see water there, if any. I THINK i can, but to Americans they don't use exposed drains like in Asia. Americans like to COVER up any unsightly spots or something less pleasant or significant to look at. Thus, the county inspector may not allow me to do that; I even have to follow the right ratio of masonry to the entire structure, this and that!!! If the exposed drain is much better than the cover one, I will be more than happy to see if the county allows it.

By the way, Yayahoo, devadog, and all, as you see my property having "problems," is it towards very bad side, or o.k. bad, or slightly bad? I know that it is hard to say and pinpoint and everybody sees it differently, but may I get a rough idea what your ratings are? If the problems are severe, I don't see the points to try to solve the problems by re-directing the energy or qi or even change things around. If it has to cost me an arm and a leg to CORRECT anything from a very bad feng shui to a slightly better feng shui, then I am losing my mind. I don't love this property enough that I am willing to go bankrupt, even if I can be prosperous, very healthy, and good in my relationships afterwards. We bought this piece of land, because we want to relocate for the better. However, we don't have to build a house there, although it is a shame that perhaps this land will just sit there (unlike me, most people don't like flag lots. Selling it would be a problem). However, I'd rather be more realistic and contemplate to see if building a house on this land is really worthwhile. If it is not going to make our life better, I don't see the point to take the hard way. There are decisions I have to make to give up things I like which do not work for me and let go of them. That's life.... so please be honest with me, you all experts... is it worth to build a house here?

Thanks very much for shedding your light with me
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11847

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chueh wrote:
By the way, Yayahoo, devadog, and all, as you see my property having "problems," is it towards very bad side, or o.k. bad, or slightly bad?


IMO, it doesn't have problems, but since it is flatland dragon it makes it more difficult to locate the flow of qi and therefore to benefit from it.

But if your driveway ends in sort of a courtyard or round-about that will help.
Proper placement of a water feature can also be explored.
Don't despair. The situation may not be nearly as bad as you think.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11848

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I think yayahoo was suggesting that the road have a drain/gutter (I'm not sure if he/she intends it to run down the middle or not). So that would be permitted, I'm sure.
I expect he/she also wants the road slanted down towards the house from the main street.
The question is...where and how does it end?

Is the house design unchangeable? Does the garage have to be tacked on the side the way it is?
And can you load a larger picture of the floor plan? It's hard to see where the doors are, what room is what, etc.

And finally, don't forget JackyLee's question earlier about where the highest hill is (I see there are no mountains nearby but there are hills all around)
Don't despair. The situation may not be nearly as bad as you think.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11849

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Since Yayahoo has been looking at landforms, I thought I'd give some thought to facing and sitting as an exercise.

There are several things to consider:
1. The limited possibilities that this pre-designed house can sit on this plot of land
2. 8 Mansions: East Group vs. West Group
3. Flying Stars: Period 8, but also we should think about Period 9 (if you'll be in this house for more than 12 years)
4. Purple White Scroll (zi bai jue): which sitting palace produces a better House Master

1: The house can only face either NW or W on this land (at least if we think conventionally)

2: 8 Mansions:
If I understand chueh correctly, she is a Kan (#1) kua and her husband is kun (#2)
An East sitting house puts the front door and facing at the West. West is Chueh's hou hai direction. But Hou hai in the west is not so bad. It is "quiet." West is her husband's tian yi direction. But tian yi in the west is weak.
A Southeast sitting house puts the door in the Northwest. NW is chueh's jue ming direction. But again, jue ming in the NW is not a problem. For her husband, it is his yan nian direction. That's pretty good

Still, an East sitting house has it's West door in jue ming direction. Jue ming in the west is OK but not helpful. A Southeast sitting house has its NW door in the hou hai direction. Again, not bad but of little help.

3. A West facing house in Period 8 - if W1 (geng), the water star is 3. The sitting palace has double 8. If w2, or West 3 (shen or kun), then the facing water star is 8 and the mountain star in the sitting palace is 4. So we might think a geng facing house is better for health and a shen or kun facing house is better for prosperity.
But we have to think ahead to period 9. A Period 8 geng facing house has water star 9 in the SE, the rear of the house. A Period 8 shen or kun facing house has water star 9 in the NW, or the front of the house and mountain star 9 in the NE or the rear of the house.
So a shen or kun facing is better in both period 8 and period 9

4: PurpleWhite Script (PWS for short) looks deeper at which palaces are generally auspicious and which are not... or in what ways the qi works in each palace. An "auspicious" 8 is of little use in a bad sector. I'll skip the analysis of how different house fare according to PWS in the various periods and simply look at the "House Master." A west facing house has "properous" sectors in the west and the NW. It also has beneficial sectors in the S, NE and mixed sectors in E and SE. So a west facing house is again better for prosperity and less good for health.
A NW facing house has "killing" energy in NW and West. It also has Killing energy in E and SE. The only positive sectors are North and South.

My conclusion is that the house should face shen or kun with the main door in the West. If there were a second entrance, it should be in the NW. The Master Bedroom should be selected based on what is most beneficial to chueh (since the house is better for her husband)

Of course this is all theoretical. External forms are more important. Especially here since the ground is higher in front of the house and drops lower to the rear.
And how the house (and the main door) relate to the in-coming road is very important. also, the actual look of the house and internal qi flow (aside from Flying Stars) also have a large effect. I can't tell from the plan that was included in the first post, but the house lay-out may weaken the effects.The wrong house sited on the wrong part of the property, even with the best Flying Star chart will not support the family.

So, to take up Yayahoo's point, the landform is backwards. Why not consider facing the house to suit the landform? Perhaps it should face SE or East? The driveway would wrap around the house to the facing side.
Don't despair. The situation may not be nearly as bad as you think.
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by Devadog.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11853

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Devadog, now I understand why you asked me the question "why do you think the chart is the priority?" after reading your last post. Wow, bravo! And you definitely have a good memory, yes, I am indeed East and my husband is West person, but I am actually Kua 3 while he 8. However, what you analyzed works for East or West people in general with the same lucky sectors yet different aspiration direction. All worked out fine.

1. Drain:
I sort of ignored the elevation from the street to the driveway of my property and to the main lot. Now, after yayahoo and devadog mentioned about the drain on the driveway, I looked at the topography again. Good news that actually the beginning of my driveway from the street is slightly higher than the rest of the driveway.
ROADtoDRIVEWAYtopo.jpg

So... I can actually construct a drain (Yayahoo, does it have to be exposed???) along the edge of the drive on the right towards the main lot (See the elevation numbers drop down slightly on the topo?). Then, at the beginning of the square lot, the elevation starts to raise slightly. I can construct a french drain here for it to pass through the front door, because I would need to dig deeper trench for the water to properly drain to the creek and nobody wants to accidentally step into an exposed drain right in front of a house.

lotTOPO_drain.jpg

WooHoo!!! Thanks to Yayahoo's solution and Devadog's direction, I finally understand what's going on I will have to start hunting a lot of chipmunks alive to dig trenches for me.

2. Floorplan:
Floorplan.jpg

I paid for the floorplan, its modification, and blueprints, but the company has not finished making them. I may still have the chance to change little things, such as reversing the floorplan horizontally (mirror image). By reversing the floorplan, the drain will actually works better. Regarding the sectors, it would be slightly better for the bedroom. As devadog mentioned that the house is in favor of my husband and I would have bedroom to make it equal I did not know what I was thinking, but I was O.K. but not happy either with the bedroom in the sector with stars Mountain 2, Water 5, and Ruling 4 on the floorplan. I guess I had to ignore the numbers, because there is no way around to change the chart. Now, I am thinking about it; perhaps it is better to reverse it. Once the floorplan is reversed, the stars mountain 3, water 4, and ruling 5 are still bad, yet at least weaker comparing with the stars on the un-reversed floorplan, the bedroom will be slightly better. Devadog, do you think so too?
FloorplanREVERSE.jpg

However, something is conflicting, if I reverse it. Please continue reading the following paragraph.

3. Usage of doors:
Most residents in America hardly ever use their front entrance door (red line), but garage. Only do guests use the front door. In my condition, it is even weirder. We are not socialable; besides I am always embarrassed to cook for guests. We hardly ever have guests. Thus, the front entrance door will probably be used once or twice the most yearly. Since I am teaching at home, all the students come through the door at the back of the Studio/Classroom in the back (the green line is the back door). This back door will be the most used door. Thus, I am not sure how the qi going to reach to the back of the house (well, another problem??? Problems can never end for Chueh!!! ) Nevertheless, devadog, you mentioned perhaps the house should face SE. The most used door (back door for the studio) will be in the SE sector, despite the fact that the house may not face the same, if the floorplan stays the way it is now, without reversing it.

4. Landform:
There are slightly up and down for the elevations in the neighborhood. However, there is not even a little hill existing in the area at least one or two miles. If I have to compare the elevation in the area, the lands are all higher than the creeks. The little creek right next to my property slopes down about 30-40 degree, and that's about it. The little pond at North part has slight raised ground, and that's about it.

5. Period 8 and 9:
Yes, good point, devadog. Period 9 should be kept in mind.
Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11862

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Hi Chueh,

Thank you for more information.
I'm thinking of creating a small 'U' open slope (3-4 inches wide, begin with 1/2 inches deep and ending to your house at 1-2 inches deep) on your new road, so that Qi that travels from outside the main road may drop to the sloop and travel to your house.
See picture 1.
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I prefer the blue color on the left side (near to creek) than right side.

Dont need to purposely dig and install a drain and that will end up additional cost.
When they are filling the asphalt, tell them to put a round silinder pipe to create a small slope.

The final drain for your house to release the inhouse water, it need to Feng Shui as well after I view your front house picture as picture 2.
Let me know if there is .....at front of the main door
a) got stair case?
b) if got stair case, how many steps?
c) able to modify the stair direction?

Devadog gives good suggestion but I'm not worry about period, my applications can last for 180years if you can stay for that long

Sorry that not able to follow up closely due to business getting busy.
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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11890

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Yayahoo, oh you are so courteous and very kind enough to help me whenever you can. I cannot sit in front of the computer at all time myself either. I already appreciate you guys much. I cannot expect better than what you guys have helped me.

Yayahoo, I will try to get the longevity pill from the witch in the mountain, so I can live up to 180 years. My future house won't get wasted for the good energy

OK I got your idea about the drain. Thank you for finding the picture to show me. The only thing I am not sure is the caption you wrote under the picture
I prefer the blue color on the left side (near to creek) than right side.
"The blue color on the left side???" Anyway, as long as I construct an U shape drain sloping from the street to the house on the asphalt driveway, then I am good! Thank you so much for your concern and trying to save $ for me, but I think I can dig the drain myself and add stuff to prevent the water soaked down.

Everything is flat without any single step. No second floor either. Remember... I will live up to 180 years old; i cannot have steps


FRONT: (sorry, width of an image is limited up to 800; cannot upload larger than that)
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BACK:
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However, there is a shallow area in front of the door (see the blue part below). The thickness is not high enough to be called the riser of a step. On the other hand, it is not thin enough to be the concrete surface like in a porch or a patio. It does not make any sense to have only one step in front of the door. I think that it is just the concrete patio surface.

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Last Edit: 1 year, 2 months ago by chueh.

Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11895

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Hi Chueh,

You are welcome.
I cannot promise anything since this is done through online but to apply all the knowledge I got as advice only.

chueh wrote:
I think that it is just the concrete patio surface.


I attached a picture for the U slope on left side.
For the road slope, I highlighted in red.
ROADtoDRIVEWAYtopo1.JPG


Is patio buried under the ground or you still able to touch it at the side? If is not 100% buried under the ground (less than 1 inches high from the ground) or same level with the ground (soil), I still view it as stair case from my point of view.
The red color highlighted, I guess that is also like a stair case since is like above the blue color.
See picture.
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After clarify this matter, then only I let you know where the final exit of the drain (blue and brown color in your picture)

To further fine tune, I may need to tilt the door and stair cases (at front door).
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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11896

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Yayahoo, oh, I see now; instead of the right side, you prefer the left. Fine with me; you are the expert!

The concrete patio surface (blue in picture) is slightly above the ground. I would say between about 1/4" to 1/2". The red line you marker above the blue is actually a threshold (see pictures: the metal part, NOT the brick part). Actually, I don't know what the word for the place (brick part in the photo samples, as well as the small horizontal part between red and blue lines of the door illustration) between the threshold and the concrete patio surface. Let's call it "FLOOR" here then. The "FLOOR" is all the same raised level inside the house. Usually it is about 2" high or more. Thus, if you don't step up when you cross the threshold through the door, you would trip yourself. Thus, the entire indoor flooring is about 2 inch higher than the ground outdoor.

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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11902

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Hi Cheuh,
Thank you for the pictures. Looks like difficult to change it (front door stair case) but possible to tilt the door?
See picture for example.
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Are you going to put fence the surrounding in red color?

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Re: orientation challenge for new home to be built 1 year, 2 months ago #11916

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Yayahoo, I think it is possible to tilt the door. If I can tilt it, is it going to tilt the exact angle of the driveway at NW3?

No, no fence. Is it good to have a fence?
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