My first dilemma is that I have 2 different month pillar using different Bazi calculators and I wish to know which one should be use. I think it is due to the cutoff time my the Birtth month is changing from Wu Shen into Ji You.

My birth details as follow : 8th Sept 1967 ; 10.15 am in Kuala Lumpur.

Hour Day Month Year
Xin Yi Ji Ding
Si Hai You Wei

Hour Day Month Year
Xin Yi Wu Ding
Si Hai Shen Wei

And would be my Favourable elements under the correct Chart? What activities (elemental) should i focus on to get the maximum results. Any loopholes (negativities) found in the chart that i need to take precaution??

I find that I have wealth accumulation and retention issues throughout my life, and wish use Bazi analysis to improve my situation. I could have been swimming against the current all this while and wasting my potential. I hope I can maximise the remaining resources i have to live productively and benefit the those around me.

Thank You in advance very for all responses received.

Hi wansek,

What is your gender?

The second chart or Wu Shen month pillar is the correct chart. As you are born on the first day of the Ji You month, the changing hours start from 1618 hrs. Since your time of birth is 1015 hrs, you should use the Wu Shen month as your month pillar.


Bernard

Hi Bernard,

Really appreciate your confirmation. I am a MALE.

Can you guide me which are my favourable elements and my Bazi dominant gods of the 10-God groupings that is leading or influencing my chart, such as Direct Officer or Direct Wealth as both look prominent in the chart, one is supported by the Season of my birth another is rooted.

Hope to hear from you again. Thanks!

Hi wansek,


From your questions it seem that you have some knowledge in bazi and this will make our discussion much easier to understand.

Imo, you fall under the Director – Direct wealth pattern chart. You are a Yi Wood born in the Autumn season where Metal is prosperous. When Metal is strong, Wood is dead. But luckily sitting below your Yi Wood is the Hai Water which can help to nourish your Day Master which is very good. Wood DM prefers to have Water in the branch than in the stem. Your Yi Wood is also rooted and I shall say that your DM is weak but not that weak. A weak DM favors resource and companion star which is Water and Wood. So your unfavorable element will be Metal, Earth and Fire.

A weak DM needs the Resource Star and thus you will be best to work in a workplace where there is sufficient support staff or resources to support you. So it is better for you to work in large organization than small organization. If you are thinking of doing your own business then I will suggest that you need partnership and preferably your partner is also a weak DM. In this way both of you can assist each other better.

Your Direct Wealth is quite dominating in your chart and with the support of the Ding Fire in the Year stem it further increases its strength. But this is a good sign as you know how to use your output to generate wealth for you. However there is a Chinese saying Wealth should not be exposed and since your wealth element is sitting on the Heavenly Stem you may have the problem of right pocket in left pocket out.lol

One problem with Wood DM is that they do not have Wealth Storage Pot. That does not mean that you will have no wealth but you must always be mindful and whenever luck is against you, you need to step on the brake and go slow if not you will find your wealth easily drained off.

Your next two decade luck cycle will be very favorable to you and with proper planning you should achieve your goal. As destiny is only 33% of the cosmic of trinity, you must also exercise your Man Luck and take care of your living environment to achieve better result.

Best of luck to you.

Bernard

Thank you Bernard for your kind effort and detailed analysis and time spent on this.

So in your humble opinion, my structure is Direct Wealth, and is prominent in the chart, but not my favourable element. Hmm..

2nd problem..Wood have no Wealth Storage Pot... tis is a BIG problem. So which element got storage pot ??...have to check my spouse Bazi like that....at least one must have.

In conclusion i need to work on my Feng Shui and Man Luck.

Hi wansek,

Other than wood, the other four elements namely Earth, Metal, Water and Fire have storage pot or vault. They can be found in the 4 Graveyard Branch which is as follow:

Earthly Branch.......................Element in the Storage
Dragon - Chen.......................Water
Ram - Wei ............................Wood
Dog - Xu ..............................Fire
Ox - Chou.............................Metal

Remember that not everyone will have storage pot or vault in their chart even if your DM belongs to any one of the other four elements.

Bernard

Hello Bernard,

Can you recommend me any reference about storage pot reading? Be it in chinese or english, I don't mind.

Thanks!

J

Hello Jae,

I have send you a private message.


Bernarde

Hi Bernard...

My Direct Wealth is exposed, but it is also rooted in its own month pillar and hour pillar as well right ? Do I really have left pocket in right pocket out syndrome ?? Oh Man, this is scary and depressing And i got double jeopardy by having Wood DM which have no storage pot....though I got a Earthly Graveyard Branch in Wei (Year Pillar)

Would appreciate if you could recommend some good books too to me..besides the JoeyYap series. (i got all 4...still my knowledge seems to be hanging ....)

You seemed to be any advanced Bazi practitioner ....any thoughts of doing it for a living ?? Or any intention of taking discipe ? Hehe, am i a worthy disciple ? Do you do Feng Shui as well?

Hope to hear from you again.

Hi wansek,


Hahaha…I am not an expert and there is still a long way for me to go. Well if one day I can turn into a professional practitioner, I assure you that you will be my first disciple so that I can borrow some of your coming good luck. Hehehe. You have a Ding Fire in your chart and hearsay most people who have it are fast leaner in bazi. Don’t ask me why.

Yes I also have knowledge in feng shui. As I told you before about the cosmic of trinity, feng shui is the prescription and destiny analysis affords the diagnosis. You cannot have prescription without diagnosis. A person who knows feng shui but without knowledge of bazi cannot be a feng shui practitioner. Whereas a person who knows bazi but with no knowledge of feng shui can be a fortune teller.

Unfortunately there are not many English books in bazi and presently JY’s books are the few available books that are much easier to understand. To be frank end of the day you still need a mentor to clear your doubts if you are seriously thinking of mastering the art.

Ok back to your chart, your Direct Wealth is of good quality and strong and most importantly is rooted in the season Month Pillar, which mean the supply is continuous. Although you have a strong Wealth element but your DM is weak and so it makes it difficult for you to hold your Wealth. Too much wealth will also deteriorate your health. So once your favorable element comes in, you will have no problem to attack or hold on to your wealth. So there is another saying that for weak DM, their self element is also their wealth star. Having says that you must also know when to go for your wealth. Take your case, your next decade luck cycle will be Water and Wood, both your favorable element. Water is your resource star, so for the first 5 years you shall concentrate in building a reputation and fame first, since resource star attack your output. The next 5 years will be Wood your companion star, so during this period you can go after your wealth. You can see that in this way your well build output will help you to generate your wealth. Now you can shake your legs with money rolling toward you.lol

A person who attacks their wealth star without using their output star will end up stressing their life working hard but with a small return. You cannot fight a war alone you need to use your creativity, intellectual and assistance to help you to fight a war.

Why Wood DM has no wealth storage pot? This is because Wood by general is classified under as 文 wen or scholar. In ancient times, scholar will end up as court officer or官. So court officer or 官 must not be influenced by greed (wealth). As I told you before that does not mean you will have no wealth, you may not be a billionaire but you can still be a millionaire. You must know that although your wealth is strongly rooted, there are years where yours Earthly Branch will be affected by clashes or combination. During these periods you must be mindful and go slow in all your endeavors related to wealth. End of the day there will still be leakage of wealth but you can do good deed by doing donation. In this way it can also help to redeem your bad karma. This is a more meaningful way for leakage of wealth and all this depend on how you exercise your Man Luck.

End of the day you still need to go into every detail of the clashes and combination affecting the Heavenly stems and Earthly Branches. You must know that our decade or Tai Yun is just an indicator and act as a catalyst. So if it is favorable and when your annual luck is also favorable, it will help to double the effect and vice verse. Some people have favorable decade luck but cannot enjoy any of it, this is due to the combination and clashes and also their annual luck cycle is just not in their favor. Since you have knowledge in bazi, I will leave that for you to slowly study it yourself. This is your first lesson. lol


Bernard

Thank you Bernard for your detailed analysis and your first lesson.

There is a saying, "When the Disciple is ready, then the Master will Appear" Therefore what I am doing now is preparing myself, learning as much as I can from books and forum seniors. Basically the initial stage we are very 'technical' in our analysis, only after a long while and practice, we can apply theories and interpret the chart more naturally observing every single nuance that may need personal judgement rather than formula from the books. I believe there may be some 'Masters' lurking around the around and observing any 'Ready' disciple to pass on the art....hehe

My goal of learning bazi is not to make a living out of it though it may change over time or may change if a person have develop a skill to a level where he become a living 'deity'. That time you cannot escape from your destiny. But currently I will try learn to improve myself, maximise my potential so that I can have more than enough for my needs and start helping people around.

But there is another saying which my prove a big hurdle, 'You will never earn enough'....the more you earn, your lifestyle changes to consume all the extra ..and you are back to square one !

You are right, good Bazi books is hard to come buy, basically is dominated by 1 or 2 authors....try to get non-mainstream authors like Goh Guan Leong and Benson Yeo....stock out in Kinokuniya.

Back to Bazi lessons .....

Normally Bazi books will tell this branch + that branch will produce a new element. Then when I read some Masters analysis of celebrities, they will comment that not all the combinations will work all the time. This again set me back a few steps in my bazi learning. Would you be kind enough share if there are any conditons for combinations to work ??

Thank you for your time. I will take your advice to build fame and reputation first.

Hi wansek,

Totally agreed with your words and you indeed has a good life experience. Bazi is not as simple as you see it and just reading from books will not help you much. If you are really serious in acquiring the knowledge I will suggest you attend a course. Over in your country there are many good metaphysics masters and only through these courses you will be able to solve all your doubts. You may also find there are a lot of other information you may not be able to find in the English books.

Back to your question on the combination, for elementary stage when there is a combination in the Heavenly Stem the transformation must be approved by the season. eg. Bing and Xin combo to transform into Water, so you need Winter season to approve it.

When there is a combination in the Earthly Branches, the transformation can only be approved if there is a similar element in the Heavenly Stem irregardless of whether it is Ying or Yang. eg Chen and You combo to form Metal and Heavenly Stem has a Geng or Xin Metal, transformation approved.

Sometime a transformation may not go through even it pass the criteria. This is due to the reason that if one particular element is very strong especially the element in season, it will reject to transform into another element but if the transformed element is of the same element then it is ok. In another word if you are strong, why must you join others but you do not mind the weaker to join you.

For elementary stage you just need to understand the above before going on to the more complicated part.

Bernard

Hello Bernard,

Really appreciate your quick reply and thank you for your invaluable lesson.

Further polishing on the same topic.....

1. first need to know what and what can combine (seasonal combo, directional combo, half combo and etc) and what is the resultant element
2. second need to know under what conditions these combinations will transform (support of the season and other elements in the chart)

My further queries after the above have been clarified :

1. is it that after combinations have transformed, both the original stems/branches will take the qualities of the new element ? And what happen to 10-God that accompany the stems/branches...also transformed ?? into a new God of the new Element ? but we do not know the polarity of the new element ...(or there is a rule to determine ??), how do we determine what God ?

2.My next query is related to my natal Bazi chart :

Both my Hour and Day Pillars are having impact from :

a. Stems countering (Xin counters daymaster Yi)
b. Branches clashing (Si - Hai clash)

From your experience , does this means I have great challenges with relationships with my wife/son at the later years ?? What other impact can be seen beyond Spouse/Child issues , especially with the 10 Gods ?

By the way, actually I am contemplating taking online courses....and now I checking through the websites of chinese metaphysicians evaluating their offerings vs costs.

Sincerely I thank you if you can offer your thoughts and experience on the above.

Hi wansek,

Before you select your mentor make should he can decode your chart. If he can't even decode your chart how on earth is he going to teach you.hehehehe...

Your question:
1. is it that after combinations have transformed, both the original stems/branches will take the qualities of the new element ? And what happen to 10-God that accompany the stems/branches...also transformed ?? into a new God of the new Element ? but we do not know the polarity of the new element ...(or there is a rule to determine ??), how do we determine what God ?

Ans: For Earthly Branch combination the resultant element will support the element in the Heavenly Stem that approved the transformation. This will also indirectly strengthen the HS element and penetrate out of the stem which will become very strong. So if the HS stem is your Direct Wealth then your Direct Wealth will become very strong. Likewise if it is the HS combination, it will support the EB season and increase the depth of the rooting.

Yes your Day and Hour clashes may pose some challenge in the later part of your life (after about age 49). It may be due to your high expectation toward your children and career and your spouse may also be involved. Hidden inside Si is your Hurting Officer, Direct Wealth and Direct Officer. So these 3 gods will be involved. Now you know it, just be mindful and think 3 times before you act. Westerner only "think twice" but Chinese "think 3 times". haha...

Bernard

Hi Bernard..

Thank you for your kind response below... Sorry for the long silence..Been busy lately both at work and family matters...

I have been trying to read up on the same topic ..combo, clashes, harm and punishment...but hard to get comprehensive materials.

Therefore, i have to 'trouble' you with my nagging questions... looking at my chart again ,,

the Hour-Day-Mth EB are Si-Hai-Shen.

Si-Hai is clashing and i believe Hai will prevail becoz water is strong in Autuum (season of birth)..am I right???
Shen Hai is having a Harm relationship... wat is the impact ? Betrayal ? by spouse ?

Will the combination of Si-Shen to produce water will work looking at the above 2 clash-harm?

Looking forward to your wise comments....and you cud serve well as my mentor..anytime.

Hi Bernard,

Further to my above enquiries.....

I accompany my wife to a FengShui/crystal ornament shop in her hometown in Tg Sepat 2 weekends ago. She is having some rough time in her work place.

The lady boss requested for birth details and promptly erected her Bazi and recommended some cures (colour crystal ). She then requested mine and out of curiosity..i provided.

She pointed 2 things:

1. water is my favourable element ...and water is derived from the spouse palace. However there was a FAN YIN between the Hour and Day pillar and the water may be clashed away. She recommended me to wear blue coloured crystal which i politely tell her i have some at home.

2. she added, luckily for me the Si-Shen combination will produce water for me. And this is the reason I asked you above .

How bad is a FAN YIN in a chart ?? I dont seem to be able to google much about this concept. Hoping for some enlightening clarification from you.

Thank You very Much.

Hi wansek,

Welcome back, I thought you must be very busy in another country searching for your answer. Hehe

Personally I am more concern with the type of clashes rather than who will prevail as the winner in a clash. In a war there are always casualties and since all the ten gods have a representation and relation to you, you may not want that to happen. There are two types of clashes namely harmonious and conflict. You can look at the stem of the clash element to determine it. In your case Yi Hai clash with Xin Si. Yi being Wood is in conflict with Xin being Metal so it seems that you will experience a conflict clash rather than a harmonious clash. Furthermore this is also a Fan Yin clash which means that a full stem and branches clash. That means top and bottom also clash. I will not say that your Water is clashed away but rather as Water clashes into the Fire and thus reducing the strength of your favorable element. I think you should know in the study of the Five Element Water attack Fire and not Fire attack the Water. But they also complement each other.


As you have mentioned that Hai being supported by the season will prevail so Si will be badly affected. We are taking about the children palace and inside Si using proper placing of qi you have Bing first which is your Hurting Officer, Wu your Direct Wealth or your Spouse and lastly Geng your Direct Officer or your Son (elementary level is your daughter, advance level is your son).

In summary you can see that yours Hurting Officer which is your outspoken, tactless and opinionated behavior is attacking your son as we know that Hurting Officer attack Direct Officer. Since Direct Wealth feed Direct Officer, your wife will support your son more. The effect will only comes in when you reach the Chinese age of 49 but we must also remember that there is always a cause and effect. The cause of it may happen now and take effect later. You have your Man Luck to change it and so my advice to you is that you need to be mindful with your action and be more tactful with your words now.

Since you are now at the Day Pillar age of 33 to 48, the Shen Hai clash is not an issue now as it is already over.

Wearing symbolic items like crystal may help if it is a right recommendation and if you feel good then it should be alright but not too expensive.

Bernard

Hi Bernard..

I dont need to go overseas for my Bazi studies. So many talented 'masters'and enthusiasts in Malaysia...and I am talking to one now..hehehe.

Your analysis of the Si-Hai clash is so true. All this while I am taking a very instructional and dictatorial stance against my son as oppose to my wife's reasoning and explanatory style. And I thought I was provoked into behaving this way. Thanks for pointing out ...and now must make an effort to change. Have to use my Man Luck to change the Heaven's course ..LOL !

Thank you for your clear explaining of Clashes and Fanyin. However your statement that the Shen-Hai Harm clash is already over led me to some deep reflection.

I always thought when there is a Clash/Harm relationship, it would be a MUTUAL EFFECT, 2 pillars would be involved and in this case the Month and Day pillars...which the approx age range of 18-34 and 35-60 respectively. Thus I should be affected until 60.

Or are there other way of looking at Clash-Harm effects, such as , only Hai is UNILATERALLY harming Shen and not vice versa, therefore, Day pillar is NOT affected. Or any other perspectives that are relevant.

Sorry for being such a slow 'student'...sigh...my sincere hope that you can en'lighten' me... Thank You again for your time and effort.

Hi wansek,

You are most welcome.

We are here to learn and share this ancient metaphysics and I can also make mistakes, so do question and share with me so that I can also learn and improve from my mistakes. It is in my belief that there is always a higher mountain behind me and in no time you may be the one.

Let me explain to you my view why Shen Hai harm clashes is not an issue now. As you know Day Pillar represent you and also your action. From age 1 to 16, it is represented by the Year Pillar. 17 to 33 your Month Pillar, 34 to 48 your Day Pillar and 49 onward your Hour Pillar. Only your action will affect the influence of the Year, Month and Hour Pillar, which means that yours Day Pillar will have a harm clash with your month pillar only during the period of age 17 to 33. Now you are Chinese age 46 which fall under your own Day Pillar (34 to 48). Since you are now in your own pillar you are locked in your own home and there will be no influence action by yourself to your neighbors. You don’t take a stone to hit your own head. The only influence during this period will be from external which is your decade and annual luck cycle

Again when you reach age 49, your Day Pillar will be itchy again and start to influence your Hour Pillar if there is a clash or combination. So there is a Chinese saying if you are not itchy don’t scratch until it itches.lol

This is also the reason why I told you about the cause and effect. As you have admitted that your present action to your kid is already showing sign of unhappiness and through years of accumulation, by the time when you reach the clashing stage the effect will be exploded and damages may beyond repair.

Don’t be frighten by bazi, they only show us the potential signal and with good feng shui and man luck we can overcome it before it happen.

Nice talking to you. Cheers!!!

Bernard

Hi Bernard,

Wow, time must have passed very fast when things keeping cropping up from all fronts.

Hope everything is all well on your side.

Reading deeper into my chart, I discover my month pillar is sitting on the Void Star (kong wang). Now I am reading the Shensha part of my chart. And from discussions in most forums, it seems to have different opinions of looking or analyzing Shensha. Some even saying that this shenshas may only exerting very minute effect on the overall chart and can be neglected.

I m just curious too, that different calculators also giving me different shenshas, meaning some calculators giving some shensha on some pillars while others is different shenshas on different pillars, but never have overlapped shenshas.

I have Yima on Hour Pillar, Ten Spiritual (Sap Ling) on Day, and Tien Yi Guiren, Hong Yan, Kip Sap/Robbery and Kong Wan on the Month pillar.

Wondering, though I have Yima, and being clashed, I hardly travelled the last 8 years...or is it not activated since it is situated at the Hour pillar (above 55 yrs).

I just worry about my month pillar being laden with so many stars...and my Tien Yi Guiren being overcame by the KongWang.

In your opinion, how Kong Wang normally impact the chart besides reducing the effects of good/bad of the pillar by half?? And what is Hong Yan (red Chamber ) does Huh?

Hope to hear from you again. Thanks.