Please check the birth chart based on birth details (08 August 1980, time: 2.17 am)
Please provide feedback on overall luck, love,marriage prospects (spouse characterisitics etc, timing of marriage), wealth, career.
Attached is Bazi chart for reference.

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Is there somebody who could answer my queries?

What is the meaning of the following in the birth chart?
Day master : Gui Water Ox
Hour master: Gui water Ox
Month Master: Yang Wood Monkey
Year Master: Yang Metal Monkey
Peach blossom: Monkey
Flower of Romance: Horse
Sword star (important): Pig, Ox
Academic Star: Rabbit
Nobleman Star: Rabbit, Snake

I request someone to please advise on this - I see my question has gotten over 200 views with no reply.

Hi lonemystic,
Are you male or female? I'm plotting your bazi chart myself based on your given birthdate.

I am male.
Could you please tell me your analysis?

Dear CC_lok, awaiting your insight.

Good morning.
Bernard, would you please answer my query?

this is strong gui water,with negative side,with output destroy by metal...
how was 2010 for this chart?very bad indeed with yin clash 2 monkey...was a shake,the problem is that this chart don`t have wealth element,2013 and 2014 should be good,2013 for half

actually bad years have been from 2008 october. (relationship broke with fiance)
2009 was worst. (lost my job, debt, legal problems)
2010 was somewhat - OK. (recovered)
2011 - was ok, but plagued with intrigue/backstabbing by colleagues and friends, not good for health and money.
2012 - has been good so far. (slowly recovering what was lost before)
yes i know my chart has no wealth element fire. (means no luck with women - even though there is attraction from both sides, wealth=wife element)
so how will 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 be? ( i see fire in all these years)
when will my bad luck end? and health?

Here is my 2c worth...

Indeed, you are a strong day master.
Your friends cannot help you and you often have to compete with them to get something.
No wealth element doesn't mean cannot earn money, just that you don't understand money management.
Jia wood is favorable to you and just sitting next to you.
Though not rooted nor supported by season, Hurting officer is regarded your useful god and this output star can also generate $$ for you.

You have no fire element. But fire will appear from age 40-50 where Wu earth will combine with your 2 Gui water to form fire.
This one is favorable to you but nothing spectacular, nor very bad things will happen to you, just ok.
Because this fire combi is not supported by season and has no roots to support its growth.

You are still in the water luck pillar until 40 yrs old.
To elaborate the above, you have a Wu Rat pillar from age 40-50.
Though Rat is water element but this Rat will combine your Ox to transform into earth and remove 7k stars.

Next year 2013 is water snake.
This snake will combine with your 2 monkeys to transform water.
It could affect your job performance, personal documents (passport, cards, license, etc..) or your mother.

For health, during these period of time..take care of water retention, kidney, bloating or pulmonary oedema.

Agree with PinkOcean.

Here's my side of reading.
In 2008, the Rat year combined with the Ox in the spouse palace. The combination was infavourable hence broke up with your fiance.
In 2009, the Ox which is your 7-killing imposed trouble with legal matters, 7-killing being infavourable.
In 2010, the Tiger is your Hurting Office (favourable to you) made your 7-killing in your chart useful hence it was a year you picked up.
In 2011, the Rabbit your Eating God (also favourable) but not as effective as Hurting Officer controlled over the 7killing hence it was an ok year with teething problems.
In 2012, the Dragon your Direct Officer is favourable since the earth is summer season (hot earth). You could have gotten a promotion in a new job or became your own boss. But be careful of subordinates and peers as under the Dragon lies yin water. Yin water means gossips and backstabbing within your peers.
Actually you're going through infavourable pillar luck Yin Fire Pig due to the yin water from the Pig . From the outside which is based on your heavenly stem Yin Fire, your friends think you're rich because that is what you portray. During this time, do be careful of your peers as they are your competitors. Do not trust them so much as they bring you problems.
The same goes for the next pillar luck, Yang Earth Rat.

Since you're going through unfavourable pig luck, you're susceptible to the annual luck cycles.
2013 Yin water snake - good year. The snake is able to control the monkey, making your resource useful. However this could cause an enstranged relationship with your mother.
2014 Yang Wood Horse - good year. May achieve wealth through hard work.
2015 Yin Wood Goat - good year. Eating god over 7-killing.
2016-2017 Yang Fire Monkey and Yin Fire Rooster - not good years. Problems come from your superior or mother. More significant in the Rooster year as it combines with the Ox (spouse palace) creating more metal. Stay low during these years.

Pink Ocean and CC Lok, first I thank both of you from my heart for your feedbacks.
I am stunned and speechless reading both of your respective amazing analysis.
It's like you both were with me all these years, and what you both said - is bang on target.

@ CC lok : "Actually you're going through infavourable pillar luck Yin Fire Pig due to the yin water from the Pig . From the outside which is based on your heavenly stem Yin Fire, your friends think you're rich because that is what you portray. During this time, do be careful of your peers as they are your competitors. Do not trust them so much as they bring you problems.
The same goes for the next pillar luck, Yang Earth Rat."

- Yes, my friends have cheated me through these years (both male and female). They said they wanted to help me, and all that happened was I ended up getting exploited and used.
Lots of bad luck and intrigue from these so called friends - plagued since 2008 by this hidden jealousy! Wary to trust anyone now.

"2013 Yin water snake - good year. The snake is able to control the monkey, making your resource useful. However this could cause an enstranged relationship with your mother.
2014 Yang Wood Horse - good year. May achieve wealth through hard work.
2015 Yin Wood Goat - good year. Eating god over 7-killing.
2016-2017 Yang Fire Monkey and Yin Fire Rooster - not good years. Problems come from your superior or mother. More significant in the Rooster year as it combines with the Ox (spouse palace) creating more metal. Stay low during these years."

- yeah my mother is kinda upset with me as to where my life is heading, and to the choices I made in the past.
I am employed overseas since 2005.
She's worried that inspite of me being talented, I will end up getting exploited by so called friends who I choose, and not fulfill my true potential. But I love my mother infinitely - she's the most important person for me. I would do anything to avoid enstrangement with her - I love her so much. But the fact that she's kinda upset with me is what you could call as enstrangement - then I can say you are right.
2015 - is it good year? Goat sign years and people (both male and female) are my worst nightmares - I always suffer due to them. They've brought me loss all the time.
(I avoid mingling with both sexes from that sign)
about 2016 and 2017, what if I decide to start my own business to escape problems with superior. and for 2017, is it bad from relationship point of view?

@Pink Ocean:
"No wealth element doesn't mean cannot earn money, just that you don't understand money management."
- Yes. My parents say that all the time. I earned a lot during the period from 2005 to 2008, but didn't save a penny.
and even now - can't save, even though I do try to earn from multiple sources. Don't know where to invest.

"Though not rooted nor supported by season, Hurting officer(Jia Wood) is regarded your useful god and this output star can also generate $$ for you."
- Does this imply my boss? My previous boss and myself had a lot of problems, but I earned a lot in that company. He was a black snake (1953 born, snake and rabbit are my nobleman stars). I left him to work for my friend in 2009 (he's an earth goat 1979 born, but all that has happened ever since is that he's exploiting me (underpaying me), so I am thinking of leaving him and starting my own business this year in partnership with two friends, both snake born (one is born 1965, the other is 1977 born) . I find people born in the year of the snake to be very lucky for me, my ex fiance was also a snake (1977). Can I start my business with these two friends?

"You have no fire element. But fire will appear from age 40-50 where Wu earth will combine with your 2 Gui water to form fire."
- What about the fire energy in the next 3 years? 2013, 2014 and 2015? I know the animals Snake, Horse and Goat are all intrinsically fire by element. What about prospects of getting married or finding love to boost wealth luck? I am still single since 2009, but I am interested in some women, but hesitant to initiate a relationship. what about the signs of snake, ox and dragon from a romantic perspective for me? I know Ox is one of the sword stars in my horoscope, but I like the girl born in that year a lot.

"Next year 2013 is water snake.
This snake will combine with your 2 monkeys to transform water.
It could affect your job performance, personal documents (passport, cards, license, etc..) or your mother.
For health, during these period of time..take care of water retention, kidney, bloating or pulmonary oedema."

- I am still having battling legal problems since 2009, however 2012 has so far shown me some hope, I am in recovery phase. I am worried that 2013 will be a repeat of 2009. My main worry of health is about smoking, (I began it in 2005, but this habit worsened since 2009 due to stress , trying to quit this year). I do have a problem with bloating. and I am worried about my lungs - that's why I am trying to quit smoking.


I wonder when my luck would change - or do I have continue struggling?

about my birth chart

Hour Day Month Year
Gui Gui Jia Geng
Chou Chou Shen Shen

From what I understand with my limited knowledge of Bazi:

Self Element: Gui
Sister/Brother element: Ren
Father Element (Indirect Wealth): Ding
Spouse Element (Direct Wealth): Bing
Mother Element (Direct Resource): Geng
Indirect Resource : Xin
Hurting Officer: Jia
Eating God: Yi
Direct Officer: Wu
7 Killings: Ji

so in my birth chart: (please correct me)
Chou is intrisically Yin Earth i.e Ji.
Shen is intrisically Yang Metal i.e. Geng

So in both Hour and Day master, self element is sitting on 7 killings
in month master, hurting officer sitting on direct resource
in year master, direct resource on direct resource
- what's the meaning of this if my calculation is correct?

Current cycle is Ding Hai
Hai (Pig) is intrisically Gui Water (?). Gui Water and Ding Fire have fighting relationship (?)

Next cycle is Wu Zi
Zi is intrisically water. Zi and Chou combine to form earth. How would it help me regarding wealth?

I am learning, so please pardon me for my limited knowledge and advise me regarding my queries.

Hi lonemystic,


"Though not rooted nor supported by season, Hurting officer(Jia Wood) is regarded your useful god and this output star can also generate $$ for you."
- What i meant is....Direct Officer/7k stars represent your superiors/bosses/orders of authority.
The output star simply means a person's capacity to generate money, constantly innovating and thinking of ideas to make $...
If the output star has roots, this characteristic becomes more obvious.

I find people born in the year of the snake to be very lucky for me, my ex fiance was also a snake (1977).
Can I start my business with these two friends?
- For your chart, I would advise not to start business or any joint venture with friends, whether they are snake or dog.
It is better to just do it yourself, otherwise just one partner.
2 partners are definitely a no-no, unless you don't mind letting them have a bigger share.
If you are determined to do business, do it in fire industry.


What about the fire energy in the next 3 years? 2013, 2014 and 2015? I know the animals Snake, Horse and Goat are all intrinsically fire by element. What about prospects of getting married or finding love to boost wealth luck?
- Snake, Horse and Goat have hidden fire element. hidden fire elements are simply roots....
However, next year is water snake, then wood horse and then wood goat.
You have no true spouse star and your spouse place is a chou ox, which is one of the graveyards branches which implies marriage affinity is weak. I have yet to confirm this theory that Graveyard branches could means marrying someone significantly older or younger or located far away. Ehhh.... finding love doesn't boost your wealth luck but the luck pillars do. :ppppppp

I am still single since 2009, but I am interested in some women, but hesitant to initiate a relationship. what about the signs of snake, ox and dragon from a romantic perspective for me? I know Ox is one of the sword stars in my horoscope, but I like the girl born in that year a lot.
- Classic bazi method doesn't indicate you must choose snake, ox or dragon persons as spouse... Not the year the person is born in, but the year itself that will affect you. For this Ox lady, is she a fire lady or has a hot chart?

I wonder when my luck would change - or do I have continue struggling?
- Be positive. There is something call Man luck and everyone is bestowed the gift of free will - to choose for better or for worse.
Let's say if someone has a "good" chart, does it mean he can sleep at home whole day and not go to work and money will still come?

Thank you pink ocean once again for your poetic yet informative answer.

Based on your reply, I would like to ask:

"For your chart, I would advise not to start business or any joint venture with friends, whether they are snake or dog.
It is better to just do it yourself, otherwise just one partner.If you are determined to do business, do it in fire industry."

- Actually I too want to be my own boss - without partnership. But I was thinking about this because I am not so financially strong now, but I have vast experience and strong networking contacts, for which these friends have decided to just invest, and let me run the show.
I am in the events industry, marketing is my forte. What is the fire industry?

"You have no true spouse star and your spouse place is a chou ox, which is one of the graveyards branches which implies marriage affinity is weak. I have yet to confirm this theory that Graveyard branches could means marrying someone significantly older or younger or located far away. Ehhh.... finding love doesn't boost your wealth luck but the luck pillars do. :ppppppp"
- I think your reading is partly true. In the past I have been attracted to women older to me, like my ex fiance.

Her birth chart was

Hour Day Month Year
Jia Wu Ji Ding
Zi Chen You Si


And older women also express interest in me,(some were even stalking me and obsessive!) even today, but today I am looking for a younger lady to marry.
The "far away" thing that you mentioned is true, because all my romantic/dating relationships have been with women who do not belong to my race and nationality, even though I don't specifically seek that. and I met my ex-fiance overseas, where I am now.
But can't a woman boost my wealth luck? Sorry if I sound foolish, but my ex was quite lucky for me. Her presence in my life was good for me, professionally, financially, and of course romantically.

"Classic bazi method doesn't indicate you must choose snake, ox or dragon persons as spouse... Not the year the person is born in, but the year itself that will affect you. For this Ox lady, is she a fire lady or has a hot chart?"

This Ox girl, her date of birth is 13th December 1985, time 10.10 am.

Her chart

Hour Day Month Year
Gui Bing Wu Yi
Si Xu Zi Chou

She's a really good, beautiful, simple and respectable girl, and single. I met her in June 2012. But I feel drawn to her ever since, but we are just friends as for now, I am hesitant to ask her out. the fact that she belongs to the Ox sign (7 killings in my birth chart, and also a Sword star, makes me even more skeptical of pursuing her).

another friend, she's been quite lucky for me ever since I met her. In fact my recovery phase began since I met her last November 2011, it was by a unique twist of fate. She's brought a lot of good luck in my life. Again just pure friends, nothing romantic. But there was kind of a spark between us. She's gone back home, but I do miss her presence in some way. I don't know her birth time, so her chart from her date of birth

Day Month Year
Ren Gui Ji
Chen You Si

I know she's got Kui Gang in her chart, she's Ren Chen Daymaster, but I still like her.
I like her personality, beautiful, charming (great talker), and very hardworking and loyal (to her friends) - like the Ox girl.

Again both these girls are from a foreign race and culture to mine, and both of them I have met them overseas here.
You could call me superstitious, but my luck has been improving ever since I met them.

"Be positive. There is something call Man luck and everyone is bestowed the gift of free will - to choose for better or for worse.
Let's say if someone has a "good" chart, does it mean he can sleep at home whole day and not go to work and money will still come?"
- of course. i am not depending on destiny, or some magic stroke of luck, but on hard work to make fortune, but considering my hard work has been undervalued in the past years, i just wanted to know whether the coming years I would get the rewards for the work I put in.
That's what I meant when I asked whether my "luck" would change.

Hi lonemystic,

Yes, you are using your HO output star by exercising your marketing skill set.
Events company sound like water industry... Sorry that I am not sure the nature of your job or your JD.
In general, fire industry will represent beauty, mannerisms and politeness or advancement and illumination.
To name a few...Industries such as IT, electronics, computer, sales, cosmetics, aviation, petroleum, lighting..
Actually, most fields in the service industry are fire-related.
Water relates to wisdom and intelligence.. alot of analysis, strategic planning.
water industries such as logistics, transportation, tourism, hygiene, cleaning, etc...

With regards to the Ox lady, 13th December 1985 at 1010 hrs.
I would say, go for it since you like her personalities and you are indeed, attracted to her.
If ox ladies are detrimental to your love life, you shouldn't have feelings for her in the first place.
You have need for fire that her chart can fulfilled.

I had a brief look on her chart and would say she is a strong Bing fire lady.
I would appreciate corrections from fellow members.
Bing fire is like the sun. Even though she is borned in the middle of winter, her birth hours is in the morning where the sun has already risen.
Also, she is rooted in the hour pillar.

Overall, she has a stable personality and a balanced emotional state because there is no clash, harm or destruction in her chart.
This is an added advantage for a good marriage, i don't think men like wives that blow hot and cold with emotional mood swings.
Another thing is, she has entered her peach blossom luck pillar from age 28-38 so she is likely to have more choices.

Thank you PinkOcean!

Regards to your analysis:

"Yes, you are using your HO output star by exercising your marketing skill set.
Events company sound like water industry... Sorry that I am not sure the nature of your job or your JD.
In general, fire industry will represent beauty, mannerisms and politeness or advancement and illumination.
To name a few...Industries such as IT, electronics, computer, sales, cosmetics, aviation, petroleum, lighting..
Actually, most fields in the service industry are fire-related.
Water relates to wisdom and intelligence.. alot of analysis, strategic planning.
water industries such as logistics, transportation, tourism, hygiene, cleaning, etc..."

- Yes! Fire industry - IT computers. I am an IT graduate specialist - that's my degree in education. Was IT Manager before (2005-2008), switched to marketing in events/fashion shows/exhibitions industry in 2009.
The funny part is I am thinking of starting an IT consultancy with my snake friend (1965) and also a logistics company.
Our third collaboration will be on ladies undergarments (lingerie) - dealers and resellers, importing directly from Europe.
With my 1977 born friend, I will be doing marketing for his events/exhibitions/fashion show company as a business partner.
So you see 3 businesses in collaboration with my 1965 friend, and one business in collaboration with my 1977 friend.
I am really surprised you listed these industries which so accurately fit my career!!!

"I had a brief look on her chart and would say she is a strong Bing fire lady.
I would appreciate corrections from fellow members.
Bing fire is like the sun. Even though she is borned in the middle of winter, her birth hours is in the morning where the sun has already risen.
Also, she is rooted in the hour pillar.
Overall, she has a stable personality and a balanced emotional state because there is no clash, harm or destruction in her chart.
This is an added advantage for a good marriage, i don't think men like wives that blow hot and cold with emotional mood swings."

- Yes! I am indeed attracted to her. Her personality is like the Sun, her enthusiasm is so uplifting when she's around me.

But what about the girl (29 sept 1989, the Ren Chen DM). she still keeps in touch with me via email and plans to return soon. I am thinking of waiting till she returns - but what about her compatibility with my birth chart?

and another one, this is not for love, but for fighting relationship in our charts: this lady has been causing a lot of problems to me over the past 7 years, even though she claims to be a friend.
This is in reference to an earlier post by you in which you said "During this time, do be careful of your peers as they are your competitors. Do not trust them so much as they bring you problems."
She was an ex colleague, but even though I ended our friendship and contact, she still tries to reconnect - just to cause problems.


Hour Day Month Year
Geng Ding Xin Ding
Xu You Hai Wei


Since you've already answered so many questions about my life already, I look forward to your answers to these final questions.
I am sure you would give me the best advices as you always have given.

Thank you Pink Ocean! Your analysis is great and awesome (it's like you are clairvoyant!)

Hi lonemystic,
According to ur destiny…u always mixed with wrong people in relationship…that why u got problem…sweet talker & ill intention people always spread gossip to u…break ur relationship with someone u like…so u forever remain lonely…bcoz they are lonely & want u become lonely also…careful…
I share with u what I learn & paste here…

People must be thankful and grateful to someone who criticize us directly; through criticism we learn to become a better person and progress in our life. It is very difficult to meet someone who is willing to criticize us directly, whenever we met such people, we must cherish every moment and try to maintain a good relationship with them. Most people like to hear superficial or feel good type of comments, but such comments will only last till the sentence finishes. Thereafter, we still have to carry on our life; it does not change anything of our life whether such comment is pleasing or not to our ears.

pinkocean wrote:Let I share u 4 live cases on people who don’t do anything or less effort, still can be extremely rich & famous…

Case1, a person who always want to go out with friends & enjoy. One day, don’t know why don’t want to join his friends & stay at home. A long time friend from oversea, who lost contact visit him suddenly & offer huge contract to him as regional distributor.

Case2, a person who suddenly want to try his luck in online jackpot betting on Sunday…find out later he hit the first prize jackpot.

Case3, a person who is new to investment or speculation, decide to speculate use USD50,000…everything he buy go up more than 20%, some even 50%...continue add profit to capital…everytime make profit at least 20%...in 6 months become multi millionaire…he sold last investment with small loss & exit from investment. All who follow him, make big profits decide to continue 1 more day & lost back everything include capital.
This case show very clear wealth is fixed in destiny…all use manluck or own decision still can’t avoid disaster except 1…why?...how to explain?
We check from his friends & raised chart…find he has unexpected windfall in his life destiny…this mean our DESTINY IS FIXED, can’t change or design at all…

Case4, singer Justin Bieber…u can check his story in internet…also say DESTINY IS FIXED…

Many more cases…can’t finish say…even powerful & rich can’t avoid they destiny…
DESTINY IS FIXED like what ancient masters say in they ancient texts.

If destiny can design or change, everyone will be rich, no poor people…

All become successful no failure, is that logic?

Quoted by CC LOK & now as SekSan (message 16886)…
During this time, do be careful of your peers as they are your competitors. Do not trust them so much as they bring you problems.

I don’t understand…how can peers become competitiors?...can explain…
If don’t trust peers, who do trust?...can explain…
If no trust or respect to peers…difficult to work in any company…

very confusing???

Answer very general…but still very confuse…???

BTW…why u change ur name from cc_lok, what the benefit? Can share…

I also think to change…but wait wait if I change, members can’t find me…

I guess…sorry if I wrong…u don’t want members to find u…”very smart” u…

Thank u in advance for ur answer…